By: Leigh Smith
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said on Monday that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behavior was just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction.”
The pope said humanity needed to “listen to the language of creation” to understand the intended roles of man and woman. He compared behavior beyond traditional heterosexual relations as “a destruction of God’s work.”
Now, after searching the net, there appears to be no direct quote from Pope Benedict in which, in this instance, he mentions the word transsexual though, in the interest of fairness, the Vatican has spoken specifically on the issue of transsexuality before. So, did Pope Benedict actually say “…homosexual or transsexual behavior…” or was that just what the author of the article, Phil Stewart, deduced from the transcript of the Pope’s address?
Does it matter?
Of course it doesn’t. Either way, the interest of classic transsexuals are marginalized. If the Pope did say “…homsexual or transsexual behavior…” then clearly the Vatican sees the two terms as being the same. If the Pope did not actually include transsexuals in an address clearly aimed at homosexual behavior, then the author made the erroneous deduction that the two are synonymous. Either way, the association is yet again made that transsexuals are no more, no less, no different than, and synonymous to…homosexuals.
It never stops, it seems.
Note that the article does not make mention of nor draws a distinction between transsexuals, transvestites, crossdressers, gender queers, drag queens, or the myriad other sexually motivated fetish behaviors; the article doesn’t mention transgender at all…nope, just homosexual and transsexual behavior. And exactly what would that behavior possible be?
Could it be the throngs of homosexual transgender advocates screaming at the top of their lungs for rights and laws?
Probably…it’s nothing short of a mantra for them.
Could it be those same people along with the transgender spectrum marching in pride parades along with their homosexual brothers and sisters, dressed up all girly like, giving the impression that homosexuality and transsexuality are one and the same thing…only expressed in different ways?
Probably…the mainstream sees drag queens cheek to cheek with buttless leather chaps and don’t have a hard time connecting the dots.
Could it be the hoards of “girlymen” blogs out on the internet, replete with pictures of themselves all dressed up and nowhere to go, expounding their connection in links to homosexual and transgender websites?
Probably…that’s not a hard intellectual leap to make either.
Could it be the multitudes of transgender shouting from the rooftops they are “honored to be a part of the LGBT community”…as if being proud of being gay is akin to being proud of one’s daughter?
Probably…Lord knows the transgender are out and proud, going to any length necessary to out those who are not.
Could it be the transmen who want so much to be male they will stand in solidarity with the homosexuals simply to sit in the presence of anyone that will call them sir…when no one else but that group recognizes them as such?
Probably…though sadly.
Could it be the professed non-ops, those that by choice will not have sexual reassignment surgery, claiming that it doesn’t make them female, that they are already women just because they say they are, claiming that a penis is a vagina and that a surgically created vagina is simply an inverted penis?
Probably…and predictably.
Could it be the way too many transgender advocates that see no wrong in continuously linking transsexuals to homosexuality by consistently throwing their daily lives and romantic laisons around on the internet…all in the name of giving back to the “community” by fighting for other’s civil rights?
Probably…even though we don’t want their community much less their advocacy.
Could it be the growing number of transgender “therapists” that will now label anyone with a panty fetish as transsexual…essentially sanctioning their patient’s fetish while simultaneously delegitimizing the lives of thousands.
Probably…a transgender therapist counseling a transgender gives new meaning to “fox watching the chicken coop”.
Could it be the support groups that are little more than self serving groups of transgenders that support each others delusions.
Probably…though even the crossdressers need an outlet.
Could it be the infamous, if not ridiculous, Pregnant Man scam, women that look like men, talk like men and yet get pregnant like any other woman, all the while claiming their “Male” status in spite of the fact that no one else on Earth defines mothers as men?
Probably…a person can call themselves a rutabaga if they want to.
Could it be the GLB, under the guise of including the T, along with a significant number of other letters in the alphabet, really means only one thing…homosexual?
Absolutely.
Isn’t that what the pope is saying to the Catholic Church when he say’s, behavior beyond traditional heterosexual relations is the “destruction of God’s work”?
We think…yes, it is.
How does 60 years of scientific study and medical research on the causes of transsexuality come down to being defined by the homosexual movement as an issue of sexuality.
The term transsexual has long ago been hijacked by the homosexuals, transvestites, crossdressers, gender queers, drag queens, the sissy boys and the entire transgender spectrum. They stole it, rewrapped it, changed its definition and then claimed ownership of it…and saw no harm in doing so. Homosexual men now speak out in the queer blogs with a self defined authority about transsexual issues of which they have no insight into whatsoever other than what they glean from their casual relationship with “Sasha”, the local drag queen, or the transvestites who visit their sites.
The GLBT took possession the term transsexual and applied it to every form of fetish, sex driven behavior that’s even peripherally related to gender in an effort to legitimize themselves at the expense of classic transsexuality. Homosexuals, long known for their almost unanimous contempt for transsexuals, see us as nothing more than gay men (and women) in denial, surgically altered, men and women with no more right to use the term transsexual than they have.
They say that we are all in this “fight” of theirs together, that like it or not we are all hated for the same reasons. They say that we are delusional, that we are the old school way of thinking, that we are exclusionary elitists that think we own the term transsexual. They call us all manner of things in an effort to silence us, all the while knowing intrinsically that what we say is the truth…transgenders are not transsexuals, that medical issues are not the same as psychosexual fetish conditions.
Make no mistake about it. When the head of the Catholic Church or a news agency such as Reuters makes a public statement that links homosexuality and transsexuality together as one – regardless if the connection has been made before or not – and says that we must save humanity from these terrible twins, he empowers those who listen and believe to go out and inflict violence. He sanctions millions of people that hold strong Catholic beliefs to withhold necessary services based on their “conscience”. He takes all transsexuals, pre-op and post-op, and disenfranchises them. He draws a parallel that will make it harder for classic transsexuals to transition and become one with their target gender by equating issues of sexuality with those of gender.
That the GLB and their homosexual sisters and brothers of transgender nonsense would continue to march in unison without acknowledging that they do no speak for the vast contingent of classic transsexuals but only for other homosexuals is unconscionable. We are but a small vocal group of mostly post operative women that dare to speak out and distance ourselves from the homosexual transgender agenda. We are growing in numbers but we need more to join our cause and speak out, to challenge, and to rid ourselves of this group that assumes to speak for us, that redefines our identities and threatens our lives. We encourage all of those that agree with us to speak up, to add your names to THE PETITION to remove the word transsexual from the domain of the homosexual transgender faction, to speak out against the transgender activists that would threaten our marriages and our legitimacy through laws that do nothing more than make us a third gender firmly rooted in homosexuality, to place the term transsexual decidedly back where it once was as a medical term to describe a medical condition where through God’s work and the forces of nature, a mistake was made in the genetic code that bore us into this world with a physical gender anomaly.
29 Comments
Well done, you have covered all the key points.
Those who are well informed and know what the Bible says regarding homosexuality and know what the Bible says about man’s relationship with his body know there is no prohibition in correcting one’s body regarding one’s sex. It is in the self interest of the homosexual community to blur the lines between transgender and transsexual in order to increase their numbers to create a false sense of normality for their practice.
There is irony in this proclamation by the Pope, The Catholic church was hijacked and subverted under the guise of Vatican Two.
Just ask the group of Orthodox Catholics who have been pushed out of their religion.
S
Not only to increase the numbers, but also to use real transsexuals as a hate sink for the transgenders, and the gays by proxy. They can hold us (transsexuals) up to take the heat when they (transgenders) are embarrassing them (the gays). It’s a sneaky, low-down tactic.
In fact, transgender = gay male. I’m sorry but there can be no other conclusion, the caveat of the FtM transsexuals notwithstanding. Most of the FtM men I’ve known feel just like we do. And it’s up to the individual to figure things out. Those FtM’s who are on board with the TG program can either pull their head out, or accept the status of queer woman under that regime. Because that is how they are really thought of there.
I’m pretty sure most of us instinctively know what the deal is already. If you have this problem, you will naturally gravitate towards the solution. That’s why I don’t buy the “but some people start off as crossdressers and are confused” bullshit that allows transgenders a foot in the door.
This thing works itself out, for good or for bad. It doesn’t lead to eternal confusion and waffling, playing around with sex, or any of the other things that gay male transgenders try to impose on the definition of transsexual.
What the hell would they know about it anyway? Their ignorance shows every time they open their big mouths. If you have lived through this thing, you know it when you see it. And you know what it isn’t.
Ok, several things. First, I don’t buy the “some start as crossdressers” stuff either. It’s crap.
Second, the bible actually supports transsexuality. This is something I know about, research and occasionally write about. Transgenders, no, they are considered “abominations” under Duet 22 but transsexuals (translated as eunuchs but meaning transsexuals in the context of the period) are actually considered a “chosen people” who get “a better place in Heaven”….see Isaiah, 56 3-5 and have the “ok” by no less than Jesus himself Mathew 19:12
Lastly…….how can anyone think that a man, whether straight, gay or crossdressing, can speak for women without that being an insult and affront? Given that why are crossdressers listened to regarding transsexual issues at all?
The Pope has a lot of gall making such statements : consider this, A man who dresses in tights, red shoes and a weird looking bathrobe, plus wearing a funky looking hat. Hmmm makes one wonder doesn`t it !
Ariablue;
Hate Sink; where did you come up with that? it is very descriptive of how classical TS are used and abused by the GL&T.
Those who start out as crossdressers and have SRS graduate as full fledged autogynophiles. (sorry spelling)
Cat;
My ex roommate and I had a long discussion about that one day she was a graduate of Dallis seminary college and knows the Bible every which way has arrived at the same conclusion, she being much more conservative in interpretation stopped just short of drawing a parallel between the eunichs and modern day classical TS only because she was not well enough versed in the history of the eunichs.
Holly;
I was listening to an interesting program last night with historian Jordan Maxwell.
He was discussing this tradition of ceremonial robes and it seems to be something that goes back to the Satorian (spelling) followers of the god Saturn. The robe symbolizes being in touch with the god’s feminine side. According to Maxwell this peace of garb has made it’s way into serious religions and into modern society as a whole not only as the garb of judges but as part of the cap and gown worn at graduation from a learning institution. Even the Catholics cannot escape their polytheistic roots.
I saw the hate sink thing in the ENDA nonsense, actually. The TG’s were complaining about being thrown under the bus on coverage for gender expression or whatever, and it was clear that the gays in charge obviously used them as a bargaining chip.
So it seems that the gays have gone “respectable” by ditching the nellie queens and putting a conservative face on while they lobby. That pushes the nellies into TG land, which then gets sold down the river when its time to cut a deal.
When the TG’s are causing the gays too much embarrassment, and since they are actually one and the same, they look to another group to dump on to avoid blame. Because “transsexual” got stolen, it is easy to put every nasty, filthy, thought and feeling society feels about gays onto those “transsexuals”.
They slyly change the wording from transgender to transsexual every single time something really bad needs to be owned by their movement. Notice the title of the article here? It’s important to single out transsexuals, in the news.
This sort of hand washing allows gay leadership appear above the fray when those dirty trannies start fighting. When “transgendered” men attack us women, it can be downplayed as a tranny cat fight. Just another “split in the community” and a reason that those trannies don’t deserve a place at the table.
This is an outgrowth of the more personal hijacking of “transsexual” done by gay crossdressers (who would have been nellies in times past), and autogynephile men to excuse their behavior. This is the logical progression of that male oppression of women.
Real smooth, huh? They get us, a group that has absolutely nothing to do with them to field their bullshit, take the blame for their excesses, put up with abuse from their nellies, and act as a scapegoat every time the vociferous anti-gays start making accusations about pedophilia among gay men.
Oh yes, don’t you see that happening? Now we, as women, get to be accused of all that nasty shit right along with gay men. I’m sorry, but even though I don’t condone people spouting those hurtful lies about a group of people, it doesn’t mean that I need to experience it myself.
I’m sick of being linked to all this garbage that has nothing to do with me. Revisionist history is such a big hobby in the US… did you know that I have my transgender forefathers to thank for all the work they did to get my driver’s license and birth certificate fixed?
Yes, those brave transgender activists of the 60′s and 70′s that came before me… how dare I be so ungrateful I am to say that I am not transgendered, to claim that I don’t owe the TG’s a debt of gratitude. Can you believe that people in support venues actually said this drivel to me? Yes, the intrepid transgenders have used their time machine to go back before they existed and change history.
And no, it wasn’t always this way. certain people have been playing politics with our lives in the last few years. It needs to stop.
It is fairly blatant what the writers of the article did. I read a translation of the original message and find no linkage to True Transsexuals.
http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2008/12/hug-a-tree-not.html#comment-143345918
It is a real stretch to link this to classic TS.
Leave it to the anti-social homosexual minority to try and drag as many people through the much with them as possiable.
Having read the translation of the speech it seems to me that the pope is talking about gender in terms of protecting the binary as we know it, ie; that he is against the idea of smashing the gender binary of male & female. I don’t see where he is saying anything we havn’t been saying.
What do you make of it?
Exactly Leigh;
I posted that as an affirmation of what we have been saying while the Kool-Aid guzzlers think what he said means something completely different. They don’t get it they are lead around by the genitals by the homosexuals to prop up their political agenda.
I hate to break it to you, but in the translations, including the one referenced above, the Pope definitely speaks of what he considers the purity of God’s Creation, the wrongness of questioning God’s Creation, and the immorality of manipulating and modifying God’s Creation. One example: “This has to do with faith in the Creator and listening to the language of creation, which, if disregarded, would be man’s self-destruction and therefore a destruction of God’s work itself.”
You can spin it how you like, but it won’t change the person’s intent, or the prejudices that drive it and are shared by millions. Is it that difficult to admit that at times, the groups you disagree with and wish to distance from might have common needs and goals?
It doesn’t help transsexuals to be linked with gay men. It is a lie and should not be tolerated.
The fact is we don’t simply “wish” to be distanced, we ARE distanced by fact. It is the gays and their transgender surrogates that would deny the truth and remove our identities from us in the public mind.
That leaves the question of why the Pope condemns these two completely different groups in the same breath. Whose fault is that? Who is spreading lies and misinformation? Why do people think that having a medical condition is the same as men prancing around in women’s clothes for sex thrills, or simply to be gay in a different form?
Regardless of who is at fault (and we know who is), it is ridiculous to say that the solution to this mess is to create more of a mess. But that is what transgender is all about. Why is it so hard for transgender to let go of transsexual?
Sorry Mercedes, but as sue would say you have been drinking the transgender kool-aid.
The prejudice is not ours to own. It was created by the Transgender. Just as we on this blog are probably seen as militant transsexual women, elite and tran/homo phobic, so the transgender are now seen as the mouthpiece of the lesbian and gay movements. Sorry but the transgender are hated because they stand out, because they are the militant wing of the LGB, because they would try to force their views on a society that doesn’t want them. And yes, they hate all of us. Society has been taught through constant use and assimilation that transsexuals = transgendered = homosexual. We never asked for this, we never promoted this. The transgender did this all by themself and they did it in the name of transsexual women, that they are clearly NOT.
Thanks a bunch!
Mercedes…
I don’t often comment on my own blog, preferring instead to simply observe what others have to say about what is written here. However, I will weigh in on this issue and to several of the other comments you made in the previous essay.
First off, I am Christian and most proud of it; anyone who know me will tell you that. No doubt I am a better Christian at some times than I am at others, nonetheless I’m Christian. And, if one is Christian it is incumbent upon them to understand the Holy Bible, the differences between the Old/New Testaments and how they relate to each other, and the teachings of Christ; and I think I do. It is impossible for you and I to debate Christianity with any fairness to either of us in a blog and I don’t intend or pretend to. However, indulge me and I will give you my take on this issue.
Christianity is the worship of Christ…period. The Church consists of the members of Christianity not the physical building in which those members may come to worship, though that structure is often referred to as a Church. Further, because some may come and worship, or claim to worship Christ doesn’t necessarily mean that they do. The fact of the matter is that members of the Church are simply men, i.e., human beings. The Pope is just one man, albeit, a very powerful one for prior to The Protestant Revolution there was only one Church and that was made up of Catholics, of which the Pope is their leader. To this point, I would think you would not disagree and if you do, it would be a minor case in point.
I do not defend the Pope, or what any religious leader may say. Each person, should they actually be a believing Christian knows that their way to salvation is not going to come through the Pope, but through Christ…and the reality for me personally is that is where the entire debate ends for me. The list of out right sin committed in the name of Christ by the Holy See goes back to the first century of so and in every case that I know of was committed for political reasons, not religious ones and the issue of the Church and homosexuality is simply another one that the Pope is noting.
I realize that the Holy See has deemed both homosexuality and transsexuality as an unacceptable aberration. You mention the Pope’s “intent”. I don’t know what his intent is. I do know that he knows the meaning of the words homosexual and transsexual and apparently doesn’t explicitly use either term. And, with that said, I don’t have any problem at all with what he said, including the example you used…in fact, I believe what he said.
It is popular in some of the homosexual oriented blogs to discuss some of the most immoral issues one can imagine, primarily issues regarding physical sex. Some see absolutely no problem with this…I do. A society without sociological norms is no society at all. The semantical and platonic question is begged: who decides what the sociological norm is? My answer to that is quite simple: society. And if the truth be told, society is more likely than not to define those norms pretty much in the same manner as all of the organized religions of the world do.
Mercedes;
You have no idea what the Pope’s intent was, you might not want to try and view what the Pope said through a straw. He wasn’t referring to correcting birth defects. Having a female brain and a partly male body is a birth defect. Changing your sex organs because you want to explore new kicks is a fetish and in the Pope’s (and my eyes) is a sin.
Leigh;
Took the words out of my mouth.
The joke is on the transgender, as they are the militant or Queer Fringe of the GLB they are also the cannon fotter for the gay political agenda, sadly they are too brain dead to know how much they are being used like a condom and will be cast aside when the dirty work is done.
Sue
The joke is on all of us. This is the backlash that we all warned against. That many transsexuals still support and are “honored” to be a member of the LGBT, still dogedly set on fighting this war on behalf of the LGB, is beyond my comprehension.
It will end in disaster, and the real casualties will be all those pre-op transsexuals out there that will bear the brunt of the coming assault on their true gender as their rights and legitimacy are stripped away to make way for the transgender and homosexual agenda of the LGBT. And yes your right, once the LGB have their victory, the transgender will be dumped.
You make a good point Leigh;
Many of us can by virtue of our established reputation can get on just fine in the mainstream. With good documentation and some history many of us can sidestep the inevitable public backlash.
I feel sorry for those who are beginning transition or didn’t start it back before the gay co-opting of TS.
I really feel for those who cannot square away their documentation for whatever reason.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for those who wear their Transgender or Queer identity on their sleeve, they are going to get what they deserve.
Anti-social fools that they are.
S
You seriously believe that that’s all it is for everyone who doesn’t share your view?
It never fails to amaze me how people consider themselves qualified to diagnose others who they know nothing about and often have never met, with complete disinterest in their reality.
Well, in the translations I read, he was talking about anyone who modified or manipulated God’s Creation. I didn’t see him make any allowance for exception, not even for the several known Intersex conditions that people are sometimes born with. Not that I’m speaking for Intersex people here, but it is a glaring oversight.
Mercedes;
“”You seriously believe that that’s all it is for everyone who doesn’t share your view?
It never fails to amaze me how people consider themselves qualified to diagnose others who they know nothing about and often have never met, with complete disinterest in their reality.”"
I am talking about people I have met fact to face. People who have admitted they did it for the sex.
By the way the Bible makes allowances for people with birth defects, it’s in the Old Testament.
You should stop viewing things with such a closed mind. Acceptance comes to those who are accepting of others and their beliefs.
From Google:(one of many entries)
Mercedes Allen is a bisexual transsexual in a lesbian relationship. She has done written advocacy for the GLB, Native, HIV and Leather communities, …
http://www.bilerico.com/contributors/mercedes_allen/ – 43k – Cached – Similar pages
Quite a resume, but does confirm a homosexual transgender person. I would guess one whom the pope ws speaking of.
Being outed is such a bitch!
There are two types of people you meet on the road to womanhood.
Those who stay on the path and well away from the margins of society.
Those who run toward the margins seeking fame and attention.
Was I in the closet about anything? I’d thought that after the last thread, everything that could be thrown already was. I’ve been out about being bi- ever since I started writing online. I didn’t know that bisexuality and transsexuality were mutually exclusive. Being that it’s argued here that identity and orientation are entirely different issues and not related antitheses, it would make sense that some people could happen to be both.
By the way (and this came up in the local skirmish last year too), I’d be interested to know how everyone defines themselves as straight. Not that I doubt you, everyone’s allowed to self-define and I respect that, but I ask because I’ve found it a curious quirk that some anti-trans / anti-gay transwomen (at least those that I met in real life) say they’re not gay because they’re attracted to women, and other say they’re not gay because they’re attracted to men. There’s a homophobia and double-standard at play that people sometimes just don’t want to see.
Yes it does. I was only talking about the Pope’s view, which I do not share. I believe in a creator, respect the person of Jesus (though I don’t know about divinity), but do not subscribe to any organized religion. Instead, I find more personal truth in nature-based spirituality. None of what I say above is meant to be an endorsement of the Pope’s view at all, but merely pointing out what I read from the translation of his words.
Mercedes;
I have a question; Why is it so important to wear your sexual orientation and other proclivities out in public?
Don’t you think this cries of someone who wants attention?
A few years back I asked our local bathroom fanatic Autumn Sandeen the same question to Autumn’s face, Sandeen just walked away and wouldn’t answer.
What is so important about proclaiming to the world you are Bi and into S/M?
As to me….
Not that it is any of your business how I identify…
I will tell you anyway.
I am a female.
What I do in bed, and with whom is nobody’s business. My medical history is nobody’s business save for my doctor. My past life is nobody’s business.
And I am not into S/M.
Oh and and the Pope….
I believe his view is in alignment with the Bible, his message sighted here reflects that in my reasonably educated opinion.
I’m out about being bi- and trans in my writings so that I can talk about those issues from a personal perspective. I don’t broadcast it in my everyday life, but I’m not worried if that gets out. Most everything else was nobody’s business until someone made it everybody’s business.
I guess I don’t see the importance in disclosing whom I sleep with and what the status of my genitals happens to be.
To me it seems childish in a adolescent sort of way to be obsessed with one’s genitals and what one does with them.
And I know this is how the mainstream sees Gays, Transgenders and to a lesser extent Lesbians. And when they get called out on it GT&L folk bet all upset and whine about how the rest of the world is so unaccepting.
People have had enough of the homosexual agenda and Proposition Eight is an example of that, don’t worry there is more on the way.
We are not the only ones who have had Enough of the Nonsense, so has the greater component of society.
Unfortunately We have to pay for the actions of folks like Sandeen Helms and company.
S
Huh,The bitch showed.
You see what I mean.
Yup…
Y’all have a happy new year and I wish all the best in 09
S
I’m not sure that it’s a good idea to cede “transsexual” to the transgenders that have been trying to steal it. It is a word with recognizable name brand value, and to allow them to redefine it would be to give them exactly what they want; freedom to tar and feather every last transsexual man and woman with the transgender poison.
Most of society still understands that there are men and women born with the wrong bodies. But if the only voices heard on the subject are those of the non-transsexual transgenders, over time the very thing we fear will come to pass. I don’t believe it is too late to rescue the truth from the clutches of people who want to label us just “a militant subset of the transgender community”.
It may be best to reclaim the word transsexual. Any attempt to rename the condition is going to end in failure. Actually, the outcomes of word wars of this nature are designed to this effect from the outset. People who plan these label fights, identity politicians, are very careful about how they choose their titles and who they want to silence and absorb. Anything except stubborn resistance to being labelled is going to end badly for us.
You make a strong point against adopting another label.
In adopting a new label we will be doing just exactly what the transgenders want, that being to give up a label that carries considerable hard won credibility.
Where does that put us, the classical transsexuals or women borne with a birth defect (take your pick)?
It’s a loose, loose situation for us and a win, win situation for the trannys.