Angie Zapata was gorgeous.
Angie Zapata was pre-op.
Angie Zapata went out with a straight man.
And, now, Angie Zapata is dead…very dead.
And, I’m pissed about it.
A commenter at The DonnaBlog put it best:
“I can’t not ignore the fact that this again is a case of pre-operative trans girl picking up a straight guy and it ending badly. How many times must the trans community relive this same drama before they learn straight males are very homophobic and will respond with violence to cover their embarrassment. It’s only common sense that you do not give the impression to be a whole and complete women and then turn out to be Male. It’s no secret that Straight men do not like male genitals I hope that others who are thinking of picking up men without telling will take pause and give this young women’s death some thought before doing so.”
Brandi Parker
SWVA Rep Equality VA
As someone said at the blog post over at the 9News comment section said, “There’s absolutely no evidence that she did not tell the guy.” And, that’s true. But, who really believes that? I don’t. So, just like Gwen Araujo, another beautiful young transgender or transsexual is dead.
You know what upsets me about this? The emphasis of the of blogs and blog commenters is on two issues that really don’t mean shit: the murderer and how Angie was treated in the press. And, that’s just how it was with the Araujo case. And why is that? Sure the guy was a creep…sociopath…he had a host of other crimes. Sure he should be thrown under the jail if not hanged, after he is tarred, feathered, boiled in oil, and flogged a few thousand times, just no doubt about that. And maybe the press, at first, didn’t get the pronouns correct. But is that the point? Not to me it isn’t.
The point is the transgender idiots have preached that gender is in the mind so much that the young believe that’s all there is to it…well there is WAY more to it, and if these dumb fucks would get out in the real world instead of talking to themselves they would KNOW that…and SAY that. Fat frigging chance… Those transgender activists that are constantly shouting “out and proud” are as much to blame as anyone. Take this exercise in stupidity from Pam’s House Blend entitled It:
Surgery doesn’t define a person. (dysonnance)
Like Dys, I agree that surgery does not define the person… (Susan_F)
(is it unreasonable to think that she should have told the guy) It is not unreasonable, but it ignores the simple fact that genitals do not make a person. (dysonnance)
Oh yeah? Tell that to Angie’s family who just had a child murdered because she believed crap like that and went out with a straight man who found out she was actually male. Those friggin idiots may not think genitals make the person, but the men they go out with do! That’s the real world, not the make believe one of the transgender stupids. Do those two, dysonnance and Susan_F, really think that just because they SAY a pre-op is female that anyone believes them besides the transgender themselves. To the real world, and the straight men in it, women don’t have a penis, they have vaginas. Does Zoe Brain think that just because she posts scientific link after link on the net anyone actually gives a flying fuck but the transgender mind screws who look to every post as some Holy Grail of confirmation? Women, to straight men, to the straight non-transgendered world, don’t have cocks…never have, and never will. And, being armed with all of the psychological psychobabble studies on the planet isn’t going to make the naïve, like Angie and Gwen, death proof. Do the Zoe Brains, Autumn Sandeens and the Marti Abernatheys think that changing one mind at a time is going to stop some straight man from coming unglued when he realizes he has just been deceived into having sex with someone who by every social definition on the planet is a male?
And don’t give me that transphobic, homophobic, classic transsexual HBS elitist shit. I don’t want to hear any of that crap. Murder is murder and I’m not justifying that ahole’s actions in the least. But, the transgender advocates spout day in and day out that all someone has to do is SAY or THINK they are female and they ARE female and that makes it OK. Bullshit! BULLSHIT! I know the routine. I was pre-op once. I don’t buy it. Cathryn Platine talked of women’s spaces and all hell broke loose. If a pre-op puts herself in the arms of a straight man, believe me she is in a woman’s space and IF she doesn’t go there as a woman she has no business being there…she is there at her own risk. And that risk could cost a life. Don’t believe me? Ask Angie…or Gwen. Oh, I guess you can’t huh?
How many of the blogs discuss what a pre-op should do before they go out with a man? How much time do the advocates spend discussing when a transgender female is NOT a female, like when they are with a straight man who doesn’t know she still has a penis? Try NO blogs…try NO time. All the transgender advocates spout is bat dung politics that in itself is ridiculous. One would think the ENDA manna will save the planet. Yeah right, like that legislation is going to make a fuck difference when virtually every state in the Union has “at will” hiring/firing employment legislation. But spend time and effort on something real, not on your life…or theirs. Virtually everyone of the advocates are gay so what the shit do they care about straight TS’s and their lives anyhow…it’s ALL about the GLBT to them.
Check out these blog links, check out ANY of the blogs addressing this…see for yourselves how much time is spent taking the tact of what SHOULD have been the approach by Angie…what COULD have saved her life. What you’ll see is the same old tired clap trap on pronouns and disrespect and homophobia and the steady transgender diet blaming the transgender’s issue on hate. What a bunch of whiners…join the rest of civilization. It may be eye opening, but most of the world is NOT gay, and when someone straight gets caught in a gender deception the potential for serious violence is mind blowing:
Pam’s House Blend: It
Pam’s House Blend: Arrest in Killing of Angie Zapata
For Monica Roberts, it all about respect…almost like a fetish for her. It makes me sick. Hey, Monica, show me, where are you trying to warn other’s that what Angie did could get you killed? Ever think of that? Didn’t think so…way more important to argue the AP Stylebook, huh? Like that’s the important thing. Here…read it:
TransGriot: Arrest Made in Zapata Killing
TransGriot: Another Transwoman Murdered
TransGriot: Zapata Remembered at Funeral
Rising Up Whole: Another
Joe My God: Killer Blames Murder on Transpanic
Search the Blogs yourself…it’s the same everywhere.
This death just made me sick. It was so senseless, so unnecessary. And I place a major portion of the blame on the very people who supposedly care about these people. The trans advocates live in a fucking fantasy world of what SHOULD be rather than what is. There is no excuse for this person being killed, and I hope that creep rots in prison for it. If the transgender advocate libertines think that by professing their assumed gender while staying pre-op is some how going to protect them from human nature they are dumber asses than they come across. And young people, like Angie Zapata, look up to these dumb fucks, and that pisses me off big time. For a transgender person, or pre-op TS, to go out with a straight man without making absofuckinglutely sure that person knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are still male is like playing Russian Roulette, a game they will certainly loose at sooner or later. And I think it is beyond screwed that all the transgender can say about this is that it’s a homophobic response, a hate crime…the AP Stylebook wasn’t followed…I’m gonna complain to this or that…whine, whine, whine.
Sign THE PETITION…enough of this non-sense.
UPDATE: 08-03-08
Add the fucktards over at Bilerico, specifically, Mercedes Allen and Lisa Harney It’s the same old shit. I guess those two recommend going out with straight men, having sex with them, and then, if just by happenchance the guy finds out, one should expect absolutely no consequences…I wonder how many straight men they date? Check their comments out over at Bilerico, see for yourselves. Pay particular attention to the stupid rape analogy on Harney’s site. Friggin idiots don’t have a clue.
UPDATE: 08-07-08
Since I made this post last Thursday night, two posts on other blogs relative to dating have been made. One, Mercedes Allen, got it very wrong…one, Monica Roberts, got it very right. Monica took a few hits in the comment section, nonetheless, I applaud her post. The hits came from the same group of club trannies who are not about to date straight men anyhow. Monica’s post is worth reading.
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They do, actually.
Plenty of people warn us all the time — and even with the warnings, and even when we tell men, and even when they’ve known for ages, sometimes they still kill us.
I realize you’re angry, and you should be — but being angry at transadvocates seems a little wasted in this scenario, because nobody had to tell Angie that people wouldn’t accept her. It’s obvious, because it’s omnipresent.
Do me a favor — if I get my head bashed in by some guy eventually, when you find out, don’t yell at the people who’ve been comforting me through my darkest hours.
Ask for justice, and that would be enough.
Yes your right Grace. Unfortunatly that can still happen but the likelyhood of it goes way down to the same level as any woman that dates any man.
IMHO (and experience) if your Pre-op, the guy has a right to know if you intend to do anything beyond holding hands.
If a transsexual is killed after they have told a straight man they are TS before they went out with him and after he was vetted that is an aberration that is unavoidable in my view. If a TS is killed by someone they have “known for ages” I don’t think the fact the person was TS has anything to do with it at all.
Perhaps “people” warn you all the time, but the trans advocates don’t. After I wrote this post, Mercedes Allen wrote a piece at The Bilerico Project entitled Safe Dating, the Silent Alarm, and Signs of Predation. In that essay she didn’t even mention it…at all! Further, when someone brought up that when to disclose should be mentioned (Comment #3), her off hand remark was to relegate it to unimportance when she said (Comment #4):
It was only when I brought up the issue (Comment #5) that anyone addressed the issue with anything near the seriousness it deserves.
Mercedes says, “I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer regarding disclosure.” That is a ridiculous statement. Do you call that a warning? Of course there is a right answer. Pre-ops should tell straight men before they ever agree to even meet with them. They should agree to meet straight men only after they have been vetted. They don’t agree to be alone with a straight male until after they are as certain as can be that the male is cool with things. They should always agree to only meet in a neutral place. Post ops have a bit more latitude on the issue, but not much.
More to the point, the part I quote you above insinuates that society, as a whole, is somehow out to get “us”. I don’t agree with that at all. There are tens and tens and tens of post operative transsexuals who go about their lives everyday who are anything but living in fear that “they” are lurking in the shadows waiting to kill them.
If a woman meets someone on the net, takes him or her home, has sex with the person, and is then murdered by the guy, everyone on the planet will say she “should have been more careful.” If a female prostitute picks up a john on a dark inner city street corner, and is then murdered, society will say she “should have been more careful” or “that’s what she gets for being a prostitute.” No one justifies the murder, but everyone – everyone but the transgender, that is – realizes that if one puts themselves in a dangerous situation…dangerous, violent, and often fatal things can happen. However, if a transsexual does something along those lines, and is killed or beaten, the “trans community” (not society) says it was a hate crime, and “they” want to kill “us”. I don’t buy it. If one were to actually read the situations those people on the Day of Remembrance site put themselves in when they were harmed, a reasonable person would say that all but a very few of them had no business being where they were.
Saying these people should not put themselves in the situation they do after they are harmed in no way justifies the TS being hurt or killed. Saying the person should have been more prudent does not blame the victim. Saying the person was irresponsible after they have been hurt or killed is not sanctioning murder…it is a warning to all.
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Accurate blog listing is http://www.dyssonance.com. The one you are using is an old one.
And if you want a more holistic view of how “bad” I am, then do a search on google using the basis of Topix.net as the URL.
“Do those two, dysonnance and Susan_F, really think that just because they SAY a pre-op is female that anyone believes them besides the transgender themselves. ”
Well, Dyssonance not only doesn’t believe that, but doesn’t say that, either.
Dyssonance says that just because they say they are a *woman*, they are.
Now, Dyssonance dates two men, has *always* been straight, is a parent and a grandparent, and is a woman, period.
You’ll know how I feel about the rest.
“Dyssonance says that just because they say they are a *woman*, they are”
I feel the same way about airline pilots .. if they *SAY* they are then they are.
Cannot understand for the life of me why United and Delta doesn’t adopt these principles …. maybe we should adopt a law that doesn’t discriminate against microsoft simulator pilots.
Thank you for your comments @ SA-ET. I was not aware that this topic was covered in such depth before I came across it. Yes I received some very biased comments cortorting my original post, http://sexualnature.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/wtf-you-have-a-dick/, into something that was of a “bigot” or tranny basher. Some posts I received I didnt even bother to approve due to some of the comments being SO irrelevant to the message I was trying to get across. I completely support everything I said and I take nothing back. I truly believe that this is not something to take lightly but all the transgender’s response to that is that it was never a lie, telling someone that they are female, because they are in fact female. Yeah in YOUR mind your a female. They refuse to admit that other people dont view it this way. Please read my follow up blog due to the feedback I was getting from the original… http://sexualnature.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/my-allegedly-offensive-post-on-transsexuals/ . Still not a good enough explanation. No matter what I said it was always a matter of me supporting the murder, not that I was trying to let them know they should protect themselves. I dont know where the hell they got that from. Granted there were a few transgenders who understood, but most just refused to get the point. There was also a thread on a transgendered website started in regards to the so called “discrimination” of my post. Honestly I dont know how else to get the message across. I stand by my comments on the situation and I just hope no one else ends up getting into a situation like this.
You got the message across … but they don’t want to hear it. So in true transgender fashion you were beaten about the head.
Hell hath no fury like a transgender scorned.
Good grief! If I had any questions about the sanity of the gender fascists this sort of thing eliminates them. They are definitely not sane. If one is pre-op and one allows oneself to get into that situation, then one is seriously risking one’s life. Yes, I understand the how, and the why. Shoot, I took a few chances when I was pre-op, but I also knew the danger. I made sure I never let things get to the point where there might be a shocking surprise. Most guys I dated knew ahead of time. But I found I definitely was not attracted to that sort of guy. I tried having a few dates where they guy didn’t know up front, and then telling when I felt it appropriate. I always made sure I told while we were in a public place, but not where others might overhear.
Ironically, the worst scare I ever had was one of the first guys I dated after my surgery. It turned out he was living with a woman who claimed to be his fiance. He claimed she wasn’t, but she answered the phone when I called, and thought my voice sounded possibly male. She said something to him, even though she had decided I was female, and that got asking questions. He wasn’t the brightest bulb, and apparerently was not real familiar with what was possible. But he did make some remarks about what he would do if I did turn out to be a “male.” I told him I was not interested in dating any more, and he thought he could take me into not being upset about his “fiance.” I emailed him and made it clear that I was not interested, period.
No amount of wishful thinking is going to make things completely safe. But if the TG activists continue this sort of foolishness, more will die.
I’ve met Gwen Arajuao’s mother. No mother should have to suffer as she has. But the gender fascists apparently need more martyrs.
This has been a bad week.
Just because justice is served doesn’t change anything.
Life is full of danger, it always hurts most to see the young and innocent die that way.
Pray for Angie
S
As I have been following this case, I have noticed that no one has even mentioned the dangers that someone can face. As you point out, there attitude is one that is very likely to get more killed.
Lets hope the next time this happens the potential murder ends up in an ICU somewhere.
Take care
S
It’s nice how the media kept calling this a transgender murder. I didn’t delve to deeply into everything that has been written about her, but did Angie herself ever say she was “transgender”?
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I guess I’ll finish this post on my own seedling blog, it got too long lol.
Uh, Leigh? Could you please not take one single sentence that I posted in reply to a specific post out of context and dub me an “idiot”? You do not know me very well, and I think that if you did, you would find that I agree with you more than you seem to think.
Well, Susan, please tell us what you did mean by that remark. After all, it is now the official position of GLAAD that the term “sex change surgery” should be avoided because, according to them, surgery is not needed to change sex.
While it is not clear that you are taking quite that extreme a position, you still miss the point. 99.999999999999% of those who identify as “non-op” could have surgery if they wanted. In every case I have encountered, it was clear that a) the person did not want surgery, and in a significant number of those cases, they made up silly reasons to make it look like it was not their choice. But as soon as one makes suggestions as to how they might get around those obstructions, they became angry, and the truth comes out.
Of course, “non-op” is an absurd term. There is really no such thing as a non-op transsexual. If you really don’t want surgery, you are not a transsexual.
Well Susan .. I dont believe I have ever called you or anyone else on here an idiot. A few other things .. granted
This is not my blog and I didn’t write the topic … go ask SA-ET
Susan Ferman
There is a name I haven’t seen around in a while.